ICKE has serious rheumathoid arthritis so thats why he can appear stiff etc i feel he is a great man .i will always be greatful to him for waking me up .
Great pod, Abi and bloody well done for managing to record one last night. I could barely string a sentence together when I got home! 😵💫😂 I had such a wonderful time seeing everyone on Wednesday and there were so many various parts to the whole thing that it's hard to group them all together. The whole meet your tribe thing was just the best thing about it all. I find all the division unbearable and it weighs heavily on me. At the event I introduced myself to the lovely Jamie Icke and explained to him how highly I regarded his dad and how he had 'woken me up' in 1997 with his book 'The truth shall set you free'. A friend had given me this book back then and said "arm yourself with this knowledge". Jamie very sweetly took me by the hand and led me up to the green room to meet his dad. I felt nothing but love and beautiful energy when David gave me a hug and we had a photo taken together. It made my evening. I think that James and David Icke are both wonderful souls on a truth seeking journey. It's a hard path take. Of course we can't all agree on everything, especially on the more esoteric, spiritual stuff. I truly hope and pray that this division can heal. Xxx
Hi Abi. Ta for the shoutout. Fab to meet you last night. What an utterly totally fabulously friendly gang that filled that building!!!
Icke gets in your head like a brain itch, that you just have to scratch. Think I talked at the folks in the car for a full two hours on the way home to get at what was troubling me.
Here is the coat hanger that I grabbed to get at the itch (my metaphors are out of control). It’s basically the same coat hanger you grabbed. Forgive the brain dump but Icke does this to you.
If everything is ultimately ‘energy vibrations’ then death and suffering are meaningless, they are just frequency changes. Beauty, goodness and morality are at base the same as evil just in a different frequency. They are all part of the illusion designed by the evil creator (he was very clear that creation is an evil simulation to be overcome and escaped). So the world is literally an image of evil, there is nothing to redeem.
Icke’s ‘metaphysics’ (energy, vibrations and consciousness - that’s his Lego kit) comes off the back of cereal packet (pop level Hegel). The references to scientists is smoke and mirrors and, in the end, his worldview is this: the creation is a work of something evil and death is a release from the matrix. That’s not a formula for a call to action other than a limp and crowd rousing ‘wake up’ (the audience already had), but also, ultimately, the logical conclusion must be ‘give up’ because the Astral plain awaits.
Also, for a guy who apparently is constantly expanding his consciousness, he seems to be stuck on the same routines. Doesn’t seem that there is much more to learn if he’s anything to go by.
I’ll be sticking to seeking to know the one true God and the one he sent, Jesus Christ(John 17:3) because that is eternal life. Soul rest is found ultimately in the beatific vision of the true, good and beautiful God who is life and love in himself and for us.
Love to have a chat with you about the orthodox trad, comedy and whatever else.
Great comment Jonny. I concur with your assessment of David Icke's view of existence. It's essentially nihilistic. A sort of sterile, sinister sci fi movie animated by evil. Humanity is far greater than that. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
David’s latest book The Dream goes deeper into explaining the ‘matrix’ and it’s more mind expanding than any of his previous books. I recommend reading it before judging him for not expanding his consciousness further.....
Hi, I’m all for reading the works of someone to get your head around their argument. In fact my broken household budget testifies to the fact. I have a third floor filled with crazy books and I eat porridge made with water and make my own bread (ok that last one says middle class and comfortable, so does the attic full of books). But I’m commenting on Ickes key set of foundational commitments which are easily publicly available and constantly repeated. Ickes routines on energy, consciousness and vibrations are foundational, metaphysical presuppositions to his vision of the world. That he presses them in the same way in all the talks I’ve heard suggests he isn’t moving on and examining his presuppositions. I’m commenting on those foundations. As goes your conceptual foundation so goes your ability to describe reality. Ickes foundational metaphysics might at first appear to have great explanatory power but if one is aware of a bit of history of ideas you can spot the numerous common conceptual cul de sacs he’s got himself into. His conceptual toolkit is seriously limited.
For instance, Icke used metaphysical terms like matter and form and attempted to describe the relationship between the demonic or spiritual world and the visible world all in the same register, all in terms of levels of ‘energy vibration’. He is quite unaware of the history of the terms Form and Matter.
In trad metaphysics, matter instantiates form but matter is not form: they are distinct given aspects of being. They are basic categories that have to be distinguished and rightly related. A mug is matter (clay or what ever) and form (mugness). Matter is not form at a different ‘frequency’ of ‘vibration’. You can’t ’slow down’ form to make it matter. Spirits are pure form without matter. The ‘vibration’ of Spirits doesn’t change ‘frequency’ to become matter. In Ickes view matter is really a kind of sluggish version of form/energy. This was David Icke’s basic metaphysics in the delingpod recording. It collapses matter and form and spirit into some other vague category of ‘energy’.
This doesn’t seem to me to be an expansive vision of the world. It seems to me to be the world seen through a very limited vocabulary, unaware of what is lost when you forget the older distinctions between categories. It’s pub metaphysics: it plays well to those who have already tacitly agreed to the unspoken contract between speaker and faithful audience to whoop in agreement at all the pre-agreed bits. But give those presuppositions a moment or two to run around the mind, hit reality and converse with the history of ideas outside the hot tent of the revival meeting and you find it’s not much more than a new aged ‘come to David’ routine.
I believe in reincarnation, ghosts, spirits, animal souls, talk to trees, hear messages on the wind whether my thoughts or ones from others. whatever anyone thinks of this, its says nothing about what action I will or wont take under pressure, fear or stress. people have all kinds of beliefs for different reasons. when the TSG are kicking the shit out you, will I or you or others stand up to them. YES. an will i or you or anyone get another kicking YES you/we will. everyone of us will met days when the odds are so stacked against us, on our own, out numbered an will have to make choices. when you get punched in the face, all theories go out the window as they say
a group of psychopaths are trying to kill us all an our families an friends. that's the only thing that matters to me right now. how to slow it down, stop it and/or survive it along with people I care about.
I listened to it twice on audible then read it and his views/explanations on us all being divine sparks is probably my favourite takeaway but honestly the whole book is brilliant!
P.s I was going to buy his book but the stall packed up quick at the end of the event. I think his stuff is significant enough to engage with. The stakes are high.
No I haven’t. Did you read my wordy response? If so I do appreciate your engagement. What bits on metaphysics might you disagree with or might Icke take issue with? Do you know if Icke deals with traditional and thomist metaphysics in his books and why he thinks it’s wrong? He needs to argue for his metaphysical framework and that requires engagement with the ‘alternatives’. Direct my reading, and let me know what it is about Icke that you’ve found helpful.
I did read your wordy response. Until you’ve read The Dream, his latest book, it’s not worth further conversation. It’s different from his previous books and the best yet in my opinion.
Abi! You beauty! I’ve popped out for what is a rare pint these days and listening you speaking Latin like a local... a local from Scunthorpe! 😳😂😂..now I can have another pint whilst I listen to you the Deling v Icke 🙏💙💙💙
I had a great time at the Icke event. Not knowing David’s work in depth I was excited to hear him chat to James. Problem for me was his lack of engagement and he is very hard to interrupt once he gets going. I know he can talk to his audience for hours but had hoped this would much more of a conversation and he made it hard for James to interject at every point. Icke didn’t endear himself to me but i enjoyed the experience nonetheless.
The best part for me was seeing Abi, Charlotte, Wayne, Dick, Andy, Bob, James etc again and meeting people from JD’s and Abi’s TG channels that I’ve conversed with online. An evening spent with the best people. We laughed till our sides were sore and that for me is what it’s all about and is what has helped me through all the heartache.......thanks again to Charlotte for all your hard work and your ability to bring people together ❤️🙏
Completely agree, Abi, myself and others have just given our honest thoughts on an event we attended. There’s nothing wrong in a difference of opinion but no need for arguing and insults. Of course there are far more important things, Benjamin being one of them, no wonder you get pissed off with all the nonsense. Much love to you Trudi 💙😘
It sounds like the pre and post show activities were the highlight of the day! I wish I could have been there but had a hospital appointment early Thursday morning. As appointments are like gold dust it couldn’t be changed. Glad you had such a fab time Jules. Some of the comments on here make me want to head for the gin bottle😂
I was there too Abi. I have never been to a live event like this before, so although it was a long way for me yo travel, I wanted to go. I was really excited and looking forward to it. I am a fan of both David Icke and James Delingpole but not so much of JD 's anymore. I was left feeling disappointed. The same questions that have been asked hundreds of times before and the same answers I've heard a hundred times before.
I've seen some great interviews with David and he himself is a brilliant interviewer, but you need to have done your research and ask intelligent, perceptive questions based on that understanding of the subject and his work, which James clearly hadn't done. It should have been so much more than it was. If you view the world as a holographic simulation, then everything in it including religions would be part of that construct. At the end of the day none of us really knows who or what Christ, Muhammed, Krishna, Buddha is. It comes down to what we are drawn to and how that makes us feel. I am beginning to feel that in this search for understanding and truth, as we peel away the layers, all we are left with is ourselves. I find that whichever views people hold, we can all be as intolerant and as ignorant as the next person. I got a chance to say hello to Charlotte and give her a hug. I regognised Bob Moran and went up to say hello. Both of them were lovely. I think I spotted you in the front row but you were surrounded by other people.
The man I was sitting next to fell sleep during the whole of the first half of the talk. Then got up and left before the second half started. At the end I just wanted to leave so I didn't hang around. I disagree with your take on David Abi, but he wasnt at his best that night. As for James, if you are going to interview David Icke, do some research and ask great questions that have a chance of illiciting great, insightful answers.
Great response thanks Hani, sensible and adult rather than some of the really unpleasant and immature responses I’ve seen. We are in a state of awakening as David puts it and none of us can claim to be ‘awake’.
It would have been lovely to meet you too Jules. I was there on my own but I looked out for people I might recognise. Couldn't see you! I'm OK Jules, hope you are too xx
Yes! Really enjoyed the whole David Icke experience. He really is the greatest showman but that’s what it felt like for me. Icke was a bit icki. I didn’t know about his Ruamatism, feel a bit mean now for imitating his dyinasor paw.
I went alone like many of us but made friends in the pub, on the tram there, in the loo queues, at the bar, out for a bold smoke. Note cap in hotel after with friends from the event. I hugged and was hugged by nearly everyone I spoke to. Wowzer.
Hi Will, good luck with your decision to stay in Perth. I hope there will be enough people in WA to stand up to the tyranny. At least you had fun exploring other possibilities in Asia. I like David Icke and I cannot understand JD’s absolute takedown of Icke on Telegram. Why did JD have Icke as a guest in the first place if he felt that way about him🤦🏼♀️
Stay in touch Will so I can follow your adventures x
You did say that we could challenge you, so here goes.
1.. Icke is a prophet, not a pastor. Whilst most of us were clueless; he told us in 1992 what was to come. The video is online, we've all seen it.
He's a flawed vessel, anti Semitic and has ticks as you say. But he's not alone is he?
2. Your comment that he can't name G-d , but dances round copouts like The Source, The Universe etc hardly makes him unique. Just fearful of what having to give God his true name and all due credit. Rather like calling Jesus " The Christ"...a copout, a fear of what calling Jesus by name will mean to you.
Whoever can't ,won't call Jesus " Lord" is in no better position that Icke.
3. Secular prophets like Icke, Murray etc won't be bullied by the likes of Delingpole. Nice guy but nowhere near knowing enough to question Icke.
The Socratic ideology is well understood as linked to Pauline theology...so at this stage we can cut him the slack he needs
He was publicly destroyed and humiliated on the BBC by Wigan way back...a cultural crucifixion in a small sense.
Like you and Gaunt. So be fair to him.
He doesn't want to be liked, he wants to be right. As do all true prophets.
he is not anti semitic anyone who has ever listened to him knows he has jewish friends and explains that the zionists shield behind the jewish people and hate them .he is a good guy.theres a difference between jews and zionists .thats one of the elites tricks
Zionism only means that the Jews are entitled to the land they were granted by the UN in 1948. As was Pakistan. Who nobody questions as a nation.
The Jews not only had the land from Biblical times, but bought it back en bloc from the Ottoman landowners. At inflated prices too, seeing the Jews were desperate to leave Europe ,given what we were doing to them.
The Arab nations made the error that they could make the Jews buy the land, then drive them off it in that war of 1948. Indeed, they told the Muslims to leave Israel before they attacked. And they could repopulate it ,once the Jews were gone
Oh dear
To not want Israel to have its tiny patch of land( size of Wales) as 22 Muslim. Countries surround it and hate it's very existence? They at least have the Koran to excuse their hatred. We don't.
Anti Semitism follows from anti Zionism...if you don't think Israel should exist as a Jewish homeland, why do you pick THEM out not to have one? No other nation is so established, so opposed too.
Icke has views on Jewish cabals and conspiracy networks that many on our side share. October 7th lit up the sky, so we know now that anti Jewish sentiment is rife. God won't like that.
judaism is not a race, it is a religion. There is no 'jewish' race that has roots in Israel. They have zero right to have taken israel and they did so through Irgun Hagganah and Stern gang all terrorist groups are the time using violence to steal a land which they had no right to. Those terrorist groups today make up the IDF. Hebrew means 'from the other side' (ie the other side of the Euphrates) because they came from the east , most likely caucusus originally. As for zionists there are Christian zionists too and zionism was brought about by Sabbateans which is not Jusaism but an inversion of it. Zion or Tsion if you look at the etymology and the Hebrew letter Tsade you wi
willl find the links with Leo/lion (processional stuff)
But , in your decent take on things, let me reply in similar.
Jews and Arabs are Semitic people, describing themselves as descendents of Abraham/ Ibraham . Jews trace their religious law from Moses via Isaac and Jacob( whose God given name was to be Israel).
Arabs take their line via Ishmael,
Hebrew and Arabic share lots of similarities in their forms. And are Semitic people.
There is no religion in Genesis where these stories are to be found. Religion only comes to the Jews via Moses in Exodus etc...Islam comes to the Muslims that practice Sharia Islam via Muhammad , centuries later.
A Saudi, an Iranian and a Jew would all agree that they are a tribe and nation first, one creates he other and vice versa.
But the Saudi is an Arab, the Iranian is not.
Both are Muslims( Sunni, Shia respectively).
The Jew is a race, a nation with a religion that stems from the same root...a Book, a People and a Faith.
So, they're a race. Their DNA apparently confirms this, but ( after Hitler's eugenics) it's not often bothered with.. Dangerous..
I speak as a Gentile, so happy to be corrected by any Jew that knows more than me...not difficult!
I agree with you on some points, certainly. Jews and Arabs are Semitic peoples absolutely, it frustrates me greatly when the media equate the term 'anti-semitic' as 'anti-jew' since that really makes little sense. The Semitic languages of course include Arabic, Aramaic etc. Yes Jews religious law from Moses (I would argue Musa is a sufi and a symbol but that is another discussion). AS regards Ishmael, not all Arabs take their line from there. The Adnanites do (Quraysh tribe) but the Qahtanites (mainly Yemen today, but also some Oman and Palestine actually consider themselves the true Arabs and they consider the Quraysh to be 'Arabized Arabs). Qahtan in Genesis is Jokshan son of Abraham/Keturah. I agree tribe comes before religion, I disagree that Iranians are necessarily Shia Muslim, or muslim at all. It is difficult for Iranians to be honest regarding this but research independently has been carried out (not controlled by the ruling theocracy) and I personally know Iranians who have told me that many of them today consider themselves secular, some Sufi (arguably Islam ,but not necessarily) and many identifiy with Zoroastrianism due to their Persian roots and history. The research showed only about 32 % to be shia, 5% identified as Sunni and 3% Sufi, 9% atheist and 7% (spiritual), 8% Zoroastrian and 1.5% christian. There are quite a few Jews in Iran too. As for the word 'jew' this stems from Yehuda. ie. Kingdom of Yehuda. Those 'men of Yehuda' (tribe of Judan, Binyamin and Shimon) are today a myth in terms of genes. THere has been so much mixture and intermarrying with the dispersal of the tribes that there is no one "Jewish race' today. Same goes for Khazars. Caucusus nose is a thing though, so perhaps some can trace their race that way. Personally I take the Bible, Koran and other religious/mythical texts as astrological texts but with many layers of myth and code with multiple meanings. That the ancients thought astrologically is shown by mythical traditions all around the world. Some argue that Jerusalem is a place in Scotland. My opinion is that the New Jerusalem of Revelation is a place in the sky/within the soul. Both the word Jerusalem (ripping out or flowing whole) and Tsion/Tzion (a path) denote a spiritual journey of the soul rather than a physical place., That the Abrahamic religions and monotheism stem from Zoroastrianism, seems to make sense . Are some Jews Aryan in origin (Indian) rather than Semite? I believe and see evidence that there is a relationship and common history with Sanskrit and Hebrew, this of course is denied by the cult but if you look into Higgins and others, very interesting. Thanks for the chat, enjoy your take on things. You might be interested in some of my articles - this is the latest https://callystarforth.substack.com/p/the-felling-of-the-sycamore?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
agree, a very crucial point well made. something I didn't understand well enough ( if at all ) before these current events ( last 4 yrs ). never had nothing against someone because they are Jewish but couldn't understand what was what with the common use of name in respect of power. wondering exactly who is " in charge " .Jewish people are despised by their government just like the rest of us wherever we come from, are despised by our own an others. one of the most fundamental points imo made above to get to grips with
Honestly very disappointed at the disrespectful comments about David Icke. I think it’s time we opened our minds to all possibilities of how humankind is being lied to.
What makes a human go and hug and be tender or christ walk towards a leper is Love ...to be fair to David Icke has said this on numerous occassions ...it was his main message in his live talks especially Wembley..I was at that in 2011 think ..maybe 2012.
Also theyrenot lizards..he has that wrong ...I think they're demons and the bible refers to them ..that makes complete sense to me.xxx
Francis leader talks in her writing bout intergenerational families of power having empathy bread out of them. when I see Kate Middleton, I think " she eats kittens for breakfast ". do I think she actually does this or is a lizard NO but in a powerful sense the metaphor holds. I think this could be applied to of the characters involved. like vince or whitty. they are in no way normal an don't have anything even close to human/mammalian or mammalian empathy at any level. we all most have friends or experience in ourselves empathy levels fluctuate due to defending our self's or exhausted ( no more room ), too busy/tires etc. same goes for friends yes. the absolute bastards running this are a different level. no turmoil at night for him is my feeling. in regards to demonic an bible references ( I know practically nothing of the bible tbh ) I do wonder if this is what demonic is. a lack of empathy an destructiveness. think humans are a muddle of creature an destructive energy potentials. does not everyone feel this to some degree but its just a matter of being empathetic, that it's not direct towards others ( sadly often towards or selves ) or creativity is stronger ultimately
Aw Abby, this is a great ‘Abi Daily’. I love your take on last night. I’ve been alone in my ‘awake ness’ for such a long time that I was surprised that my OH had come along so far (slowly, slowly, catch a normie) that he wanted to come along last night. My dilemma 🤔 ! Well I very much wanted to lose myself amongst the crowd/vibe/pre event pub peeps/you all when I booked my single ticket a month before.....however OH wanting to come along may have clipped my wings somewhat but I reasoned it was a price worth paying to further his awakening. Anyhoo, what I’m rambling on about is that I’d have loved to track you down (please don’t be afraid of me😂) and hugged you. Next time 🤗🤗🤪
Years ago I listened to David Icke and thought he was a nutcase. Since then most of what he predicted has come true. I have only watched Ickonic on YouTube so it would be a different vibe with a live show. I’m a Christian but I have no problem with nonbelievers. Your pod has definitely created a response Abi! I did laugh at the weird woman with the lights that was escorted out by security😂😂
Yes, it’s a great shame Abi didn’t do far more research about David Icke before she attended this event, particularly as she has enjoyed the benefit of events participated in, promoted and worked on, by his sons, for one thing. But then most people who come out with such negative views - although not personal/physical attribute-directed ones, I must say, and so which I was rather surprised to come cross here and thought very low indeed - about David Icke have simply not taken taken the time out to give him the respect and courtesy he deserves after 34 years in ‘this game’, by doing so in the first place, instead working on assumption and ‘folklore’ (and which is always very telling in its own right of the critic, I always think).
I would also add that, maybe, if she had been a science student, as opposed to an arts one, she would, quite literally, be fascinated by what David Icke has had to say across the years when it comes to the why and how of why we are here in the first place. Anyway, Abi, try watching David Icke’s film Renegade for a start, and ‘apologies’ on his behalf if he was not quite ready to ‘receive you’ in a manner you felt befitting when you were afforded a perk from your contact/friend in meeting him beforehand, as he no doubt was acclimatising himself for the event ahead after travel and maybe a busy day/days in the run-up of earlier interviews, programme-making and alike (as opposed to massages and trots in Dog Sh** Park, perhaps?🤔 Just sayin'😉….).
Icke is a very intelligent man I read his books many yees ago before internet was a thing. He has a great dry sense of humor which makes his videos worth watching. He was the first to point out that there was no virus and he was dead right. JD claims to question everything yet has a massive blind spot when it comes to Christianity. That is a major psyop. Christ is merely the age of Pisces which is why you see Christianity being wound down now. The cult has thrown Jesus down our throats for the prescribed time period and we are now getting the hermaphrodite stuff due to Aquarius (for the masses) really they are moving into Leo from Virgo. If Jesus did exist as a human being (and I see no definitive evidence that Jesus Christ is anything other than a metaphor for time) then his ideas were not new . Straight put of the Egypyian book of Dead and also from zoroastrian texts . Also ripped from Greeks Christianity is Judaism but hellenized to make it palatable . Belief is key. Whatever you believe will be true for you and if you believe strongly enough it works like magic. There is a possibility jesus may be a metaphor for amanita muscaria mushròom , see john allegro (banned book). I have my own God which I discovered works for me. I have no desire or need for the cult to teĺl me what to believe with their organized religions for the masses. As for frequencies , the harmonics in music are the same as the harmonics in Gothic churches and cathedrals, sacred geometry holds truths.
ICKE has serious rheumathoid arthritis so thats why he can appear stiff etc i feel he is a great man .i will always be greatful to him for waking me up .
Great pod, Abi and bloody well done for managing to record one last night. I could barely string a sentence together when I got home! 😵💫😂 I had such a wonderful time seeing everyone on Wednesday and there were so many various parts to the whole thing that it's hard to group them all together. The whole meet your tribe thing was just the best thing about it all. I find all the division unbearable and it weighs heavily on me. At the event I introduced myself to the lovely Jamie Icke and explained to him how highly I regarded his dad and how he had 'woken me up' in 1997 with his book 'The truth shall set you free'. A friend had given me this book back then and said "arm yourself with this knowledge". Jamie very sweetly took me by the hand and led me up to the green room to meet his dad. I felt nothing but love and beautiful energy when David gave me a hug and we had a photo taken together. It made my evening. I think that James and David Icke are both wonderful souls on a truth seeking journey. It's a hard path take. Of course we can't all agree on everything, especially on the more esoteric, spiritual stuff. I truly hope and pray that this division can heal. Xxx
Agree with everything you said Helen. You sound like a wonderful soul yourself. What a beautiful way to see things x
💖 if only more people had your perspective Helen💖
Great comment Helen. Glad you had such a good time ❤️
Wise words Heldel x
Helen, you have inspired me to buy that book by David Icke, courier delivers it tomorrow.
Hi Abi. Ta for the shoutout. Fab to meet you last night. What an utterly totally fabulously friendly gang that filled that building!!!
Icke gets in your head like a brain itch, that you just have to scratch. Think I talked at the folks in the car for a full two hours on the way home to get at what was troubling me.
Here is the coat hanger that I grabbed to get at the itch (my metaphors are out of control). It’s basically the same coat hanger you grabbed. Forgive the brain dump but Icke does this to you.
If everything is ultimately ‘energy vibrations’ then death and suffering are meaningless, they are just frequency changes. Beauty, goodness and morality are at base the same as evil just in a different frequency. They are all part of the illusion designed by the evil creator (he was very clear that creation is an evil simulation to be overcome and escaped). So the world is literally an image of evil, there is nothing to redeem.
Icke’s ‘metaphysics’ (energy, vibrations and consciousness - that’s his Lego kit) comes off the back of cereal packet (pop level Hegel). The references to scientists is smoke and mirrors and, in the end, his worldview is this: the creation is a work of something evil and death is a release from the matrix. That’s not a formula for a call to action other than a limp and crowd rousing ‘wake up’ (the audience already had), but also, ultimately, the logical conclusion must be ‘give up’ because the Astral plain awaits.
Also, for a guy who apparently is constantly expanding his consciousness, he seems to be stuck on the same routines. Doesn’t seem that there is much more to learn if he’s anything to go by.
I’ll be sticking to seeking to know the one true God and the one he sent, Jesus Christ(John 17:3) because that is eternal life. Soul rest is found ultimately in the beatific vision of the true, good and beautiful God who is life and love in himself and for us.
Love to have a chat with you about the orthodox trad, comedy and whatever else.
Blessings
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Great comment Jonny. I concur with your assessment of David Icke's view of existence. It's essentially nihilistic. A sort of sterile, sinister sci fi movie animated by evil. Humanity is far greater than that. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
David’s latest book The Dream goes deeper into explaining the ‘matrix’ and it’s more mind expanding than any of his previous books. I recommend reading it before judging him for not expanding his consciousness further.....
Hi, I’m all for reading the works of someone to get your head around their argument. In fact my broken household budget testifies to the fact. I have a third floor filled with crazy books and I eat porridge made with water and make my own bread (ok that last one says middle class and comfortable, so does the attic full of books). But I’m commenting on Ickes key set of foundational commitments which are easily publicly available and constantly repeated. Ickes routines on energy, consciousness and vibrations are foundational, metaphysical presuppositions to his vision of the world. That he presses them in the same way in all the talks I’ve heard suggests he isn’t moving on and examining his presuppositions. I’m commenting on those foundations. As goes your conceptual foundation so goes your ability to describe reality. Ickes foundational metaphysics might at first appear to have great explanatory power but if one is aware of a bit of history of ideas you can spot the numerous common conceptual cul de sacs he’s got himself into. His conceptual toolkit is seriously limited.
For instance, Icke used metaphysical terms like matter and form and attempted to describe the relationship between the demonic or spiritual world and the visible world all in the same register, all in terms of levels of ‘energy vibration’. He is quite unaware of the history of the terms Form and Matter.
In trad metaphysics, matter instantiates form but matter is not form: they are distinct given aspects of being. They are basic categories that have to be distinguished and rightly related. A mug is matter (clay or what ever) and form (mugness). Matter is not form at a different ‘frequency’ of ‘vibration’. You can’t ’slow down’ form to make it matter. Spirits are pure form without matter. The ‘vibration’ of Spirits doesn’t change ‘frequency’ to become matter. In Ickes view matter is really a kind of sluggish version of form/energy. This was David Icke’s basic metaphysics in the delingpod recording. It collapses matter and form and spirit into some other vague category of ‘energy’.
This doesn’t seem to me to be an expansive vision of the world. It seems to me to be the world seen through a very limited vocabulary, unaware of what is lost when you forget the older distinctions between categories. It’s pub metaphysics: it plays well to those who have already tacitly agreed to the unspoken contract between speaker and faithful audience to whoop in agreement at all the pre-agreed bits. But give those presuppositions a moment or two to run around the mind, hit reality and converse with the history of ideas outside the hot tent of the revival meeting and you find it’s not much more than a new aged ‘come to David’ routine.
I believe in reincarnation, ghosts, spirits, animal souls, talk to trees, hear messages on the wind whether my thoughts or ones from others. whatever anyone thinks of this, its says nothing about what action I will or wont take under pressure, fear or stress. people have all kinds of beliefs for different reasons. when the TSG are kicking the shit out you, will I or you or others stand up to them. YES. an will i or you or anyone get another kicking YES you/we will. everyone of us will met days when the odds are so stacked against us, on our own, out numbered an will have to make choices. when you get punched in the face, all theories go out the window as they say
a group of psychopaths are trying to kill us all an our families an friends. that's the only thing that matters to me right now. how to slow it down, stop it and/or survive it along with people I care about.
which for a feeler is a big burden
I agree and we need to make sure our solutions don’t smuggle in some of the same thinking that leads to tyranny again.
I listened to it twice on audible then read it and his views/explanations on us all being divine sparks is probably my favourite takeaway but honestly the whole book is brilliant!
Audible. Great idea.
It seems to me from this wordy response that you haven’t read David’s latest book....
P.s I was going to buy his book but the stall packed up quick at the end of the event. I think his stuff is significant enough to engage with. The stakes are high.
No I haven’t. Did you read my wordy response? If so I do appreciate your engagement. What bits on metaphysics might you disagree with or might Icke take issue with? Do you know if Icke deals with traditional and thomist metaphysics in his books and why he thinks it’s wrong? He needs to argue for his metaphysical framework and that requires engagement with the ‘alternatives’. Direct my reading, and let me know what it is about Icke that you’ve found helpful.
I did read your wordy response. Until you’ve read The Dream, his latest book, it’s not worth further conversation. It’s different from his previous books and the best yet in my opinion.
I’m off to order it. At least tell me your favourite bit?😁
Glad you met the Abster et al 👍😊
Abi! You beauty! I’ve popped out for what is a rare pint these days and listening you speaking Latin like a local... a local from Scunthorpe! 😳😂😂..now I can have another pint whilst I listen to you the Deling v Icke 🙏💙💙💙
Ah enjoy your pint, my lovely! X
I had a great time at the Icke event. Not knowing David’s work in depth I was excited to hear him chat to James. Problem for me was his lack of engagement and he is very hard to interrupt once he gets going. I know he can talk to his audience for hours but had hoped this would much more of a conversation and he made it hard for James to interject at every point. Icke didn’t endear himself to me but i enjoyed the experience nonetheless.
The best part for me was seeing Abi, Charlotte, Wayne, Dick, Andy, Bob, James etc again and meeting people from JD’s and Abi’s TG channels that I’ve conversed with online. An evening spent with the best people. We laughed till our sides were sore and that for me is what it’s all about and is what has helped me through all the heartache.......thanks again to Charlotte for all your hard work and your ability to bring people together ❤️🙏
Hearing anyone speak for hours would bore the tits off me and I couldn’t think of anything worse🤣
The David vs James bullshit has started on twitter and people are losing their heads about it.
Quite frankly, unless they’ve caused you physical harm or contributed to a family member’s death, then get a grip!
Any hoo.....
Glad you all met up and had a laugh, as that’s what it’s about.
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Completely agree, Abi, myself and others have just given our honest thoughts on an event we attended. There’s nothing wrong in a difference of opinion but no need for arguing and insults. Of course there are far more important things, Benjamin being one of them, no wonder you get pissed off with all the nonsense. Much love to you Trudi 💙😘
It’s boring Jules, simple as🤷♀️😏
It sounds like the pre and post show activities were the highlight of the day! I wish I could have been there but had a hospital appointment early Thursday morning. As appointments are like gold dust it couldn’t be changed. Glad you had such a fab time Jules. Some of the comments on here make me want to head for the gin bottle😂
I was there too Abi. I have never been to a live event like this before, so although it was a long way for me yo travel, I wanted to go. I was really excited and looking forward to it. I am a fan of both David Icke and James Delingpole but not so much of JD 's anymore. I was left feeling disappointed. The same questions that have been asked hundreds of times before and the same answers I've heard a hundred times before.
I've seen some great interviews with David and he himself is a brilliant interviewer, but you need to have done your research and ask intelligent, perceptive questions based on that understanding of the subject and his work, which James clearly hadn't done. It should have been so much more than it was. If you view the world as a holographic simulation, then everything in it including religions would be part of that construct. At the end of the day none of us really knows who or what Christ, Muhammed, Krishna, Buddha is. It comes down to what we are drawn to and how that makes us feel. I am beginning to feel that in this search for understanding and truth, as we peel away the layers, all we are left with is ourselves. I find that whichever views people hold, we can all be as intolerant and as ignorant as the next person. I got a chance to say hello to Charlotte and give her a hug. I regognised Bob Moran and went up to say hello. Both of them were lovely. I think I spotted you in the front row but you were surrounded by other people.
The man I was sitting next to fell sleep during the whole of the first half of the talk. Then got up and left before the second half started. At the end I just wanted to leave so I didn't hang around. I disagree with your take on David Abi, but he wasnt at his best that night. As for James, if you are going to interview David Icke, do some research and ask great questions that have a chance of illiciting great, insightful answers.
Great response thanks Hani, sensible and adult rather than some of the really unpleasant and immature responses I’ve seen. We are in a state of awakening as David puts it and none of us can claim to be ‘awake’.
Indeed!
Aww Hani.....would have been great to meet you! 🥲 hope you’re doing ok xx
It would have been lovely to meet you too Jules. I was there on my own but I looked out for people I might recognise. Couldn't see you! I'm OK Jules, hope you are too xx
Wish we’d have known you were there Hani, would have arranged to meet for sure x
Yes! Really enjoyed the whole David Icke experience. He really is the greatest showman but that’s what it felt like for me. Icke was a bit icki. I didn’t know about his Ruamatism, feel a bit mean now for imitating his dyinasor paw.
I went alone like many of us but made friends in the pub, on the tram there, in the loo queues, at the bar, out for a bold smoke. Note cap in hotel after with friends from the event. I hugged and was hugged by nearly everyone I spoke to. Wowzer.
(Twenty quid Tina)
Hi Abi
Sometimes you can travel 10000 miles and still stay where you are ..I am staying in Perth and standing my ground
Fuck em
I do not comply my children need a warrior and I only looked to move for them
But it's a global prison they want to build.
I take what resonates and leave the rest
He has a serious malady Abi
I do wish you would have been more kind in your account
I still love being here
And love hearing from you 😊
the problem I have with Christianity is the fear motivator
Fear is the perfect instrument to control you
I cannot abide by the god of the old testament
namaste 😊🙏😊
Hi Will, good luck with your decision to stay in Perth. I hope there will be enough people in WA to stand up to the tyranny. At least you had fun exploring other possibilities in Asia. I like David Icke and I cannot understand JD’s absolute takedown of Icke on Telegram. Why did JD have Icke as a guest in the first place if he felt that way about him🤦🏼♀️
Stay in touch Will so I can follow your adventures x
It’s our wallaby Will from down under, hope you’re okay my lovely 😊
Trudi 😊 indeed I am I have missed the tribe
I hope you're well too my dear 💖
Not bad thanks chick, all this Icke stuff is boring to me, I couldn’t care less to be honest. I’ve more important stuff to be concerned about.
I’m seeing the fall out begin on twitter, it’s pathetic.
I’m awaiting a special delivery today which is old footage of Benjamin which had been transferred onto a USB. ( tissues at the ready)
Much love to you
You flaming galah 🤣🤣💙
Hahaha 🤣 strewth cobber ya lovely bag of roo meat
Better than a bag of spanners I suppose 🤣🤣
Exasperating .
You did say that we could challenge you, so here goes.
1.. Icke is a prophet, not a pastor. Whilst most of us were clueless; he told us in 1992 what was to come. The video is online, we've all seen it.
He's a flawed vessel, anti Semitic and has ticks as you say. But he's not alone is he?
2. Your comment that he can't name G-d , but dances round copouts like The Source, The Universe etc hardly makes him unique. Just fearful of what having to give God his true name and all due credit. Rather like calling Jesus " The Christ"...a copout, a fear of what calling Jesus by name will mean to you.
Whoever can't ,won't call Jesus " Lord" is in no better position that Icke.
3. Secular prophets like Icke, Murray etc won't be bullied by the likes of Delingpole. Nice guy but nowhere near knowing enough to question Icke.
The Socratic ideology is well understood as linked to Pauline theology...so at this stage we can cut him the slack he needs
He was publicly destroyed and humiliated on the BBC by Wigan way back...a cultural crucifixion in a small sense.
Like you and Gaunt. So be fair to him.
He doesn't want to be liked, he wants to be right. As do all true prophets.
he is not anti semitic anyone who has ever listened to him knows he has jewish friends and explains that the zionists shield behind the jewish people and hate them .he is a good guy.theres a difference between jews and zionists .thats one of the elites tricks
I think that they are one and the same.
Zionism only means that the Jews are entitled to the land they were granted by the UN in 1948. As was Pakistan. Who nobody questions as a nation.
The Jews not only had the land from Biblical times, but bought it back en bloc from the Ottoman landowners. At inflated prices too, seeing the Jews were desperate to leave Europe ,given what we were doing to them.
The Arab nations made the error that they could make the Jews buy the land, then drive them off it in that war of 1948. Indeed, they told the Muslims to leave Israel before they attacked. And they could repopulate it ,once the Jews were gone
Oh dear
To not want Israel to have its tiny patch of land( size of Wales) as 22 Muslim. Countries surround it and hate it's very existence? They at least have the Koran to excuse their hatred. We don't.
Anti Semitism follows from anti Zionism...if you don't think Israel should exist as a Jewish homeland, why do you pick THEM out not to have one? No other nation is so established, so opposed too.
Icke has views on Jewish cabals and conspiracy networks that many on our side share. October 7th lit up the sky, so we know now that anti Jewish sentiment is rife. God won't like that.
all i can say is you are very misinformed
judaism is not a race, it is a religion. There is no 'jewish' race that has roots in Israel. They have zero right to have taken israel and they did so through Irgun Hagganah and Stern gang all terrorist groups are the time using violence to steal a land which they had no right to. Those terrorist groups today make up the IDF. Hebrew means 'from the other side' (ie the other side of the Euphrates) because they came from the east , most likely caucusus originally. As for zionists there are Christian zionists too and zionism was brought about by Sabbateans which is not Jusaism but an inversion of it. Zion or Tsion if you look at the etymology and the Hebrew letter Tsade you wi
willl find the links with Leo/lion (processional stuff)
Respectfully disagree Cally.
But , in your decent take on things, let me reply in similar.
Jews and Arabs are Semitic people, describing themselves as descendents of Abraham/ Ibraham . Jews trace their religious law from Moses via Isaac and Jacob( whose God given name was to be Israel).
Arabs take their line via Ishmael,
Hebrew and Arabic share lots of similarities in their forms. And are Semitic people.
There is no religion in Genesis where these stories are to be found. Religion only comes to the Jews via Moses in Exodus etc...Islam comes to the Muslims that practice Sharia Islam via Muhammad , centuries later.
A Saudi, an Iranian and a Jew would all agree that they are a tribe and nation first, one creates he other and vice versa.
But the Saudi is an Arab, the Iranian is not.
Both are Muslims( Sunni, Shia respectively).
The Jew is a race, a nation with a religion that stems from the same root...a Book, a People and a Faith.
So, they're a race. Their DNA apparently confirms this, but ( after Hitler's eugenics) it's not often bothered with.. Dangerous..
I speak as a Gentile, so happy to be corrected by any Jew that knows more than me...not difficult!
I agree with you on some points, certainly. Jews and Arabs are Semitic peoples absolutely, it frustrates me greatly when the media equate the term 'anti-semitic' as 'anti-jew' since that really makes little sense. The Semitic languages of course include Arabic, Aramaic etc. Yes Jews religious law from Moses (I would argue Musa is a sufi and a symbol but that is another discussion). AS regards Ishmael, not all Arabs take their line from there. The Adnanites do (Quraysh tribe) but the Qahtanites (mainly Yemen today, but also some Oman and Palestine actually consider themselves the true Arabs and they consider the Quraysh to be 'Arabized Arabs). Qahtan in Genesis is Jokshan son of Abraham/Keturah. I agree tribe comes before religion, I disagree that Iranians are necessarily Shia Muslim, or muslim at all. It is difficult for Iranians to be honest regarding this but research independently has been carried out (not controlled by the ruling theocracy) and I personally know Iranians who have told me that many of them today consider themselves secular, some Sufi (arguably Islam ,but not necessarily) and many identifiy with Zoroastrianism due to their Persian roots and history. The research showed only about 32 % to be shia, 5% identified as Sunni and 3% Sufi, 9% atheist and 7% (spiritual), 8% Zoroastrian and 1.5% christian. There are quite a few Jews in Iran too. As for the word 'jew' this stems from Yehuda. ie. Kingdom of Yehuda. Those 'men of Yehuda' (tribe of Judan, Binyamin and Shimon) are today a myth in terms of genes. THere has been so much mixture and intermarrying with the dispersal of the tribes that there is no one "Jewish race' today. Same goes for Khazars. Caucusus nose is a thing though, so perhaps some can trace their race that way. Personally I take the Bible, Koran and other religious/mythical texts as astrological texts but with many layers of myth and code with multiple meanings. That the ancients thought astrologically is shown by mythical traditions all around the world. Some argue that Jerusalem is a place in Scotland. My opinion is that the New Jerusalem of Revelation is a place in the sky/within the soul. Both the word Jerusalem (ripping out or flowing whole) and Tsion/Tzion (a path) denote a spiritual journey of the soul rather than a physical place., That the Abrahamic religions and monotheism stem from Zoroastrianism, seems to make sense . Are some Jews Aryan in origin (Indian) rather than Semite? I believe and see evidence that there is a relationship and common history with Sanskrit and Hebrew, this of course is denied by the cult but if you look into Higgins and others, very interesting. Thanks for the chat, enjoy your take on things. You might be interested in some of my articles - this is the latest https://callystarforth.substack.com/p/the-felling-of-the-sycamore?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Will definitely check your work, I'm very lazy with mine.
Watching Kellie Jay Keene from Leeds as I write, so forgive my vagueness.
Guess it's a matter of how we blend our " theologies"...do I take ours seriously...or literally ..or mystically/ spiritually?
I'm much more the literal type,having had my fingers burned on various NRMs (New Religious Movements).
As my mum said " We all work for the same boss"....
Will check out your substack, always up for learning new things.
LoveAS
Hi Cally.
What a great response, didn't know half of this. So thank you.
It deserves a better reply, let this be a marker. Your Persian insights seem very authoritative, your Jew/ gene pool stuff seems very plausible too.
Will check and get back to you.
Love AS.
agree, a very crucial point well made. something I didn't understand well enough ( if at all ) before these current events ( last 4 yrs ). never had nothing against someone because they are Jewish but couldn't understand what was what with the common use of name in respect of power. wondering exactly who is " in charge " .Jewish people are despised by their government just like the rest of us wherever we come from, are despised by our own an others. one of the most fundamental points imo made above to get to grips with
I like the Wigan play on words, referring to Sir Terry's syrup. Unless it was predictive text, or a slip of the finger.
Accidental Brian.
Have sacked the typist!
Honestly very disappointed at the disrespectful comments about David Icke. I think it’s time we opened our minds to all possibilities of how humankind is being lied to.
What makes a human go and hug and be tender or christ walk towards a leper is Love ...to be fair to David Icke has said this on numerous occassions ...it was his main message in his live talks especially Wembley..I was at that in 2011 think ..maybe 2012.
Also theyrenot lizards..he has that wrong ...I think they're demons and the bible refers to them ..that makes complete sense to me.xxx
Much love .
Yes. I feel maybe the lizard theory is these demonic energies that both the bible and Quran talk of
Francis leader talks in her writing bout intergenerational families of power having empathy bread out of them. when I see Kate Middleton, I think " she eats kittens for breakfast ". do I think she actually does this or is a lizard NO but in a powerful sense the metaphor holds. I think this could be applied to of the characters involved. like vince or whitty. they are in no way normal an don't have anything even close to human/mammalian or mammalian empathy at any level. we all most have friends or experience in ourselves empathy levels fluctuate due to defending our self's or exhausted ( no more room ), too busy/tires etc. same goes for friends yes. the absolute bastards running this are a different level. no turmoil at night for him is my feeling. in regards to demonic an bible references ( I know practically nothing of the bible tbh ) I do wonder if this is what demonic is. a lack of empathy an destructiveness. think humans are a muddle of creature an destructive energy potentials. does not everyone feel this to some degree but its just a matter of being empathetic, that it's not direct towards others ( sadly often towards or selves ) or creativity is stronger ultimately
Aw Abby, this is a great ‘Abi Daily’. I love your take on last night. I’ve been alone in my ‘awake ness’ for such a long time that I was surprised that my OH had come along so far (slowly, slowly, catch a normie) that he wanted to come along last night. My dilemma 🤔 ! Well I very much wanted to lose myself amongst the crowd/vibe/pre event pub peeps/you all when I booked my single ticket a month before.....however OH wanting to come along may have clipped my wings somewhat but I reasoned it was a price worth paying to further his awakening. Anyhoo, what I’m rambling on about is that I’d have loved to track you down (please don’t be afraid of me😂) and hugged you. Next time 🤗🤗🤪
Ha ha, I remember the hair touching incident. Hilarious 🤣🤣🤣 you absolute weirdo🤣🤣
Years ago I listened to David Icke and thought he was a nutcase. Since then most of what he predicted has come true. I have only watched Ickonic on YouTube so it would be a different vibe with a live show. I’m a Christian but I have no problem with nonbelievers. Your pod has definitely created a response Abi! I did laugh at the weird woman with the lights that was escorted out by security😂😂
She was the highlight of the whole show, the rest of it sounds shit!!🤭🤭🤭
Yes, it’s a great shame Abi didn’t do far more research about David Icke before she attended this event, particularly as she has enjoyed the benefit of events participated in, promoted and worked on, by his sons, for one thing. But then most people who come out with such negative views - although not personal/physical attribute-directed ones, I must say, and so which I was rather surprised to come cross here and thought very low indeed - about David Icke have simply not taken taken the time out to give him the respect and courtesy he deserves after 34 years in ‘this game’, by doing so in the first place, instead working on assumption and ‘folklore’ (and which is always very telling in its own right of the critic, I always think).
I would also add that, maybe, if she had been a science student, as opposed to an arts one, she would, quite literally, be fascinated by what David Icke has had to say across the years when it comes to the why and how of why we are here in the first place. Anyway, Abi, try watching David Icke’s film Renegade for a start, and ‘apologies’ on his behalf if he was not quite ready to ‘receive you’ in a manner you felt befitting when you were afforded a perk from your contact/friend in meeting him beforehand, as he no doubt was acclimatising himself for the event ahead after travel and maybe a busy day/days in the run-up of earlier interviews, programme-making and alike (as opposed to massages and trots in Dog Sh** Park, perhaps?🤔 Just sayin'😉….).
If you think all Abi ever does is ‘trot’ round dog shit part and have massages you have sadly, massively underestimated her Ciro.
Very well said!
Icke is a very intelligent man I read his books many yees ago before internet was a thing. He has a great dry sense of humor which makes his videos worth watching. He was the first to point out that there was no virus and he was dead right. JD claims to question everything yet has a massive blind spot when it comes to Christianity. That is a major psyop. Christ is merely the age of Pisces which is why you see Christianity being wound down now. The cult has thrown Jesus down our throats for the prescribed time period and we are now getting the hermaphrodite stuff due to Aquarius (for the masses) really they are moving into Leo from Virgo. If Jesus did exist as a human being (and I see no definitive evidence that Jesus Christ is anything other than a metaphor for time) then his ideas were not new . Straight put of the Egypyian book of Dead and also from zoroastrian texts . Also ripped from Greeks Christianity is Judaism but hellenized to make it palatable . Belief is key. Whatever you believe will be true for you and if you believe strongly enough it works like magic. There is a possibility jesus may be a metaphor for amanita muscaria mushròom , see john allegro (banned book). I have my own God which I discovered works for me. I have no desire or need for the cult to teĺl me what to believe with their organized religions for the masses. As for frequencies , the harmonics in music are the same as the harmonics in Gothic churches and cathedrals, sacred geometry holds truths.
Dogs just know 😉, any hint of lizard and they're out of there 😁
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